Mother Was Also Smokey… I’m Going to Spell it Out For Everyone… With Pictures AND Video!

18 05 2010

So, there has been a lot of talk in the wake of the tsunami of information that “Across the Sea” brought us.  Mostly I’ve seen people arguing about whether or not the twins’ Foster Mother was both the island protector and the Smoke Monster.  It’s clear that she was the protector but the big debate is on the whole Smokey thing.  I just wanted to put some ideas out there that I haven’t seen covered yet.  

Firstly, this notion that adversaries of this theory have about how quickly it would take a woman of Mother’s stature to fill in that well are absurd.  I do my fair share of dirt shoveling…  I’m a gardener…  and to be able to fill in a well of that size  (even during my strongest period in physical life ~ and yup, I used to be brawny) would take me days. Also… it wasn’t just dirt… there were huge rocks all mixed in with the dirt.  You can also see there where one side of the well has been reduced to rubble, presumably explaining those large chunks of stone there in the dirt. There is no way she could have done that in less than 24 hours.

I don't know about you but I doubt I could have reduced half of that well to rubble and then filled it in.


And let’s not forget that she  also had to kill the villagers.  People say that she burned them and that is how she was able to kill everyone. I just looked at that scene again and those people were not burned… they were all just lying there dead, bludgeoned perhaps and only the huts were burned out. Okay, from what I could see there was actually one burned guy  who was probably the reason the MIB “she burned them…”  but they were clearly not burned.  A little smokey… but not burned.) See? 

I don't see any charred bodies. Okay, there is one in the next photo... but only one! And these huts were too small to chalk it up to smoke inhalation (unless they all took Ambien before bed.) .


And you can compare it to the Smokey attack on the Temple from the Sundown Episode: 

Dead bodies and some flames... VERY similar.


And this guy…  clearly he was the victim of a surprise attack…. see there?  He dropped his onion! 

Poor guy on the right was either surprised or was trying to escape with a prized onion! The unlucky fellow on the left there was clearly burned... but out of all the screencaps and rewatching the scene, he was the only burned guy I could see.


How could one woman have done all that in such a short time?

Some people like to point out that Smokey that fire has never been his M.O. but it was FLocke who tossed Jacob into the fire ring only after Ben killed him.  And of course, you see all the flames around the photo from Sundown as well. 

Now I’d like to look at a couple of interesting phrases that have come up in the show.  By doing this I hope to point the finger toward smokey origins.  

When Mother is passing on protectorship to Jacob she says, “It’s going to be you.”  This is exactly what Sayid, after his transformation into agent of Smokey, said to Jack just before he sacrificed himself to save his friends on the submarine.  

Mother told Claudia, “Just be grateful you are alive.”  When Ben stole Alex from Rousseau he told her, “Just be grateful you are alive.” Ben…  Ben who had been manipulated by FLocke to kill Jacob. Ben who had been put into the corrupted temple water as a boy making him, as Richard put it.. Never the same.  

And lastly there are these two video clips.  One is of Jacob using a spinning wheel, and we know that he learned to weave from Mother… 

The other is of the sounds of the Smoke Monster.  

I’ve posted both of these before in another post but they are particularly compelling if one is thinking about why the smoke monster would sound so much like the spinning wheel.  It didn’t make much sense when we thought that Jake was the only weaver in the family but now that we knew his mother taught him to weave (and apparently not BIB) then it would lead me to believe that the reason the smoke monster makes these sounds is because they were sounds also made by Mother’s human form.  

You might say that perhaps Mother just controlled the Smoke Monster because it obviously did what she wanted to do by killing the villagers… but then wouldn’t Jacob have had more control over MIB/Smokey?  It was when the two roles were split that the shit hit the fan and the source turned to ick.  And from the sounds of it…  Mother also knew what it was like to have gone down into the Playboy Grotto…  worse than death.  Could be something that was told to her…  but to me, I think it was experience. 

Interesting side note… why do you think Jake was so into choices and free will?  I suspect because of this exchange when Mother was passing the protector torch to him: 

MOTHER: It has to be you, Jacob.

JACOB: No, it doesn’t. You wanted it to be him…But now I’m all you have.

MOTHER: It was always supposed to be you, Jacob. I see that now. And one day, you’ll see it, too; but, until then…you don’t really have a choice…Please, take the cup and drink.

Okay…  until next time …   Here is a little Humble Pie for you… something all we Lost Theorists will all be eating come Sunday night at 11:30 PM.


Guest Blog in Which Jordon Looks at Lost as a Parable About Duality & Unity & Finds That Everything, in The End, is Redeemable.

17 05 2010

This episode of MyCrazyLostTheory is being brought to you by the great despoiler, who shattered your regular author’s hopes in relation to a very important theory regarding Smokey’s long con, Hurley’s Ghosts, and a jar of peanut butter.  Even though I’ve apologized, apparently I still have to do my penance, which is to guest host the column this week. 

Hey Jordon... So not mock the Peanut Butter. Charlie imagined it with Claire, then it was there. That is IMO, way more magical than that stupid My Little Pony cave!


Pauline (of MyCrazyLostTheory) and I regularly check in on Wed mornings to ecstatically exchange our theories and views on the previous nights info dump that is lost.  Last Wednesday was no exception…although we both started the conversation with a great deal more trepidation than normal.  I’ll sum up my initial feelings thusly:  Watching that episode was kinda like choking back a spoonful of REALLY awful tasting medicine, and slowly finding that the aftertaste is divine and sort of warms the guts.  Reading through various blogs and comments ’round the ol’ net, it appears this is one of the most divisive episodes yet.  I think that is completely understandable.  In a way, viewers are now going to be divided into the old Locke/Jack dichotomy.  Some are happy with a general mystic underpinning, and some need concrete answers.  Until the following theory occurred to me, I was a little bit on the ” oh come ON Lost!” side of the fence.  Now, I think I see the writers long con, and I think I’m in love. 

Or, in other words:  How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love Lost as Star Wars Remake.  Ok, what?  Awkward.  My entirely revamped view of this show is that it’s Star Wars.  Well, at least partly.  In one big way.  At first we thought Star Wars was gonna be about Jack…I mean Luke. But as the series continued, and especially after the crappy prequels, we realized it had been about the MIB, oh crap, I mean Darth Vader, all along.  So this series is about the MIB.  And Jacob.  Of course.  But mostly the MIB.  And his redemption.  How can he be redeemed?  How can such a force of evil get redemption?  Well, Darth Vader blew up a whole fucking planet and somehow we forgave him at the end, right?  Seriously folks, stay with me, I swear this is going somewhere (it’s about now that Pauline is regretting asking me to guest host I imagine…). 

No Jordon, not at all. Keep going... this all sounds quite intriguing.


Before this episode, I had a series of huge questions:  What was the smoke monster, what was Jacob, what is the purpose of the Island, and why are these people candidates?  What is the sideways world, why can Hurly see Dead People, etc. etc.  We don’t have many more answers to those questions, but, as the episode pointed out in the cheekiest bit of meta-narrative yet, with each answer there are more questions. 

However, I think we’ve been played.  Here is my big gambit:  There is no Candidate.  Jacob’s entire ‘plot’ has been to redeem the MIB, and get him to accept guardianship of the Island.  No, seriously.  To begin to understand this we have to go back to this Episode, and Mommy Dearest. 

Once upon a time there was a lady who guarded a sparkly cave full of Care Bear magic, which she protected from big bad evil men who wanted to steal its power.  She had probably been doing this for centuries, and was waiting for someone to show up who could take her place.  Hunting boar and looking for poultices can get awfully boring after hundreds of years.  So can killing entire colonies as the smoke monster.  Wait, what?  That’s right.  I think Dear Old Mom was both Guardian AND Smoke Monster.  My evidence for this is direct and indirect.  First off, when she found out that Unnamed Brother had found a way to tap into the energy of the Island, she clearly got that sad look in her eyes of ‘here we go again, I’ve got to wipe out another batch of folks from the Island,’ and next thing we know, the entire village is wiped out…with prejudice.  Everyone is burned, maimed and otherwise indisposed, and also, guess what, the well has been filled in and destroyed.  Could little old Mom have done that?  Could she have thrown the MIB over her shoulder and hauled him out of the well?  Don’t think so.  I think only the Smoke monster could have done that.  Which leads me to wonder if the smoke monster was there in some other form (was the vision of MIB’s real mother the old Smokey showing his hand?  I don’t think so) or that MOM had that power…a decidedly smoke monster like destructive power.  The reason I think she was both, and not that there was another entity already extant on the Island in the role of smoke monster is because of what apparently happened to the source after MIB was sucked down that mystical water slide.  It went black folks, and we never saw it go light again.  Whatever caused THIS smoke monster to manifest caused a very very bad thing.  It was at this point that the Island ceased being the repository for the “source” of all warm and fuzzy (Mom’s explanation of the source and how each person in the world holds a spark of it inside of them is highly Cabalistic/Gnostic) and became instead a cork holding in the evil that was Smokey.   

After destroying the villagers and pissing off MIB, Mommy knew she had to make a choice…she had to pass the torch (which she literally did, by the way!) to Jacob.  Clearly Jacob wasn’t her first choice, but he was all that was left.  The other son had proven that he wouldn’t have any interest in that job, and would most likely just fuck it up.  My guess is that what she passed to Jacob was sort of incomplete, and that she was rushed into doing so.  She couldn’t pass on her full nature.  I don’t have the back up for that right now, although maybe it will come to me.  Basically, Jacob got all of the Guardianship without any of the Smokey aftertaste.  Now mom has become mortal, has passed that torch, and can die and be at peace.  She kinda wants this.  It’s pretty clear. Thankfully MIB is happy to oblige.  That dagger we’ve seen so much of this season finally ends up killing one of the supernatural characters after all…it just happens to have happened a long long time ago.  Jacob is super pissed, and decides to work out his feelings of inadequacy by throwing brother into the Care Bear cave.  Now, Mommy warned them about this, explicitly, saying it would result in a fate worse than death.  Clearly she knew about it in detail, and probably from experience.  I think it’s important to note, at least for my theory, that the MIB was mortal when he was cast in.  It was Jacob who had been given the gift of immortality by drinking the wine (the same wine by the way that he gave to Richard to drink…Richard, who became…IMMORTAL!).  So when a mortal man is cast into the Care Bear cave, all hell breaks loose, literally.  His soul is stripped from his body, and transformed into the smoke monster…or the other side of Mom’s split personality.  In mythic terms, this is the separation of the unity into duality.  And what do dualities always long for?  Return to the source, to be rejoined, to make sweet sweet love.  Ok, well, a bit too far there.  What used to be a singular role of protector is now split into two beings. And one of those beings is corrupted, pissed, and wants the hell off the Island.  And yet if we really look at the smoke monster over the course of the show, it has served as a sort of Island Security System for much of the time.  Hell, many people overtly called it that for much of the show.  So it seems that MIB can’t escape his guard duties entirely.  Maybe that’s part of his nature…but without the other side of his nature, represented by Jacob, he’s a much darker and more menacing force than he should be, and potentially deadly for the world at large. 

What if it’s more straightforward than I’m making it?  What if Jacob really does just want someone to come along and replace him, and take up his role as protector of the Island, someone to keep Smokey in check.  Isn’t the biggest risk there that Smokey will eventually find a way to loophole the next sorry sap into getting shived, and escape anyway?  The game won’t end, it will just be extended.  The only way to win the game, say it with me Mathew Broderick Fans, is Not To Play.  

Never trust a computer screen bearing greetings from Professor Falken or random dudes in the jungle of a mysterious island offering magic wine or daggers.



Now, this got me to thinking:  If my theory is correct, then why did Jacob choose these people?  I’m certain there is more to that to come in the last 3 ½ hours, but here is something to chew on:  We know that Smokey has been executing a long con throughout the show, manipulating events to get into Locke’s bod, and kill Jacob to eventuate his escape from Fantasy Island.  But what if Jacob has an even longer con going on.  What if he brought certain people to the Island whom he KNEW would compliment each other in such a way that when the MIB eventually found a way to inhabit one of them, there would be someone amongst the group who would be the perfect foil for the MIB avatar, someone who could bring him back from the Dark Side.  That’s why Kate isn’t a Candidate anymore…because MIB chose Locke…and the only true foil for Locke is Jack.  So, it is the MIB’s choice that solidifies Jacob’s choice of Candidate.  Although by Candidate here, I’m not talking anymore about who will take Jacob’s role, but the one who will be the catalyst for convincing the MIB to accept the role.  WHOAH!  What did I just do there?  Seriously.  I feel like this opens up so much, and lets so much fall into place, I’m literally reeling from it.  Why Jack?  Because of Locke!  If Sawyer had been chosen by MIB, then it would have been Kate!  If Jin had been chosen by the MIB, then Sun, etc. etc.

Which leaves Desmond.  I have no idea. Don’t get cute with me, damnit.  We still have 3 ½ hours left for that to play out. 

But this idea of the merging or healing of dualities can play into the sideways world mystery also.  For here again we see a reflection of a fractured world, two realities, which need to be merged into a single reality.  Sideways world/Island world, Jacob/MIB, Locke/Jack.  Things will come together.  And they won’t come together in a way which just perpetuates the game, a simple exchange of actors…they will come together in a way which redeems.  And Locke will have his redemption too.  He was a man of faith, a man whose faith was tested sorely, who got played by a cynical being intent to destroying meaning.  Jack, a man who refused to see meaning in anything, who clung to the pragmatic even in the face of the miraculous.  Now, their roles are reversed, and the two are inexorably being drawn into a singular orbit.  What will come of their collision?  What will this new unity be? 

And what I like best about this idea is that it brings the Island back in as a character.  Behind these ideas is one in which the Island itself is wounded…wounded by Jacob’s violent sin.  The source has been tainted.  If Flocke is redeemed, and accepts the guardianship from Jacob and his smokey nature, then perhaps the Island gets healed, redeemed as well. 

Stay tuned.  We have 3 ½ glorious hours left to find out.  And I for one can not wait.

Can We Just Fracking Call Him Adam? Oh, And Jacob’s Water Testing. Also, a Guest Blogger Next Week!

12 05 2010

I’d like to appologize for my earlier post.  I’m not so mad anymore.  In fact, I loved this episode because it is making me take another look at the entire series and question everything I thought I knew.  So…  well just, Yay. 

One of the things I’m thinking about is what can only be, as far as I can figure, the entrance to the Secret World of Og:

This wonderful opening in the earth where water flows that holds the essence of life… the light in every human bla bla bla. But what is the deal with this place?  How did it go from being the place where you’d sure to be able to find the last unicorn to the Bog of Eternal Stench? When they were boys, Eve (evil Allison Janney the Foster Mom) told the boys how wonderful and important it was but then as an adult she turns around and tells Jake that going down into it would be a fate worse than death! 

Then, in a bizarre twist on the rule that he and Adam (formerly the MIB)
inflict harm on each other, Jacob chokes Adam, Bashes his head and throat into the river rocks and then throws him down into the glowing pit where the water transforms him somehow into the smoke monster. Okay… it would seem that the water was bad…   got it… that water is BAD! Bad water!  Bad Bad Water!  And for the purposes of this blog, I must presume that the temple was built over this BADBAD Water.  

So then… When Sayid is mortally wounded, why is it that the ghost of Jacob, (since it has been established by Darlton that those are indeed actual ghosts that Hurley is seeing) tells Hurley to bring dying Sayid to the temple?  Again presuming that Jacob’s instructions for Dogen is that he should put Candidates into the water if they are injured, the question to be begged is why!?  WHYWHYWHY?! Why would Jakey Boy do this?  

Was this just a special punishment for Sayid since he was the person who shot Ben making it so Ben was put in the water and turned into bad Ben?  Or was he trying to test what happens when anyone in general gets put in the water to see if it was just that his brother had already been corrupted by his time spent living amongst the men in the village?  Why?  Why turn Sayid into a vessel of nothing?  What is the deal with Jacob?  What is his point?  

I have an idea…  but I can’t go into it because my Lostbuddy Jordon has an amazing theory he will be unveiling here on My Crazy Lost Theory next Monday… and boy is it a doozy! And my idea ties in with what I know of Jordon’s theory of awesomesause… so I must stop here…  

But, I will leave you with this…  who out there isn’t now questioning the motives of every single move that Jacob made?  And also… was it just me or was one of the men that killed the Boar played by Clancy Brown who played Kelvin Inman?  That character has been all over Lost and it would be an interesting twist of he was a survivor of the massacre of Adam’s village.  

So… Okay.  Watch this space: Monday. HUGE THEORY!  by Jordon Flato!  

oh… and water.  It’s bad… by why?  And why does Jake seem to be testing it?

Lost “Across the Sea” Theory-less.

12 05 2010

Okay so…  there may be an expanded post coming this week but after last night’s episode, I don’t have much to say.  I mean…  crazy Allison Janney said it, “”Every question I answer is only going to lead to another question. You should rest, and just be grateful you’re alive.”  (How annoying was that moment?)I will probably write something about how frustrated I am that I’m supposed to think the MIB is pure evil. I mean, that would be like hating a foster kid whose foster mom mentally abused him before handing him over to an even harsher system.

How many times does MIB have to get beat up, bashed in the head with a rock & turned into a smoke monster before I can sympathize with him? See the look of terror on his face?


Okay, that is a little extreme but seriously… these two boys were victims of a crazy woman and now all of the people who have been brought to the island have been victimized by her sons. So I suppose I can assume that all the evils in the world are caused by women huh?  Is that what you are telling me Darlton? Really?  

Oh man do the writers have some explaining to do.  Like, one minute Jake and MIB’s real mom and their adopted mom via rock bludgeoning are speaking two different languages and the next minute it’s like the island has a universal translator! WTF? 

I feel like maybe I am stupid? Did I miss something or did this only REALLY show us who Adam and Eve were?  I’m going to post something that really sums up how I feel about television and life really…  and how Lost defies this world view of mine.  Thanks Lost… and yes… I’m still mad at you, ven if there might be a theory brewing in my brain that connects MamaJake with Danielle Rousseau. Still mad. 

Looking at the Visual Clues: Q&A with Dr. Francesca Tronchin on the Archaeology of Lost

10 05 2010

Hello there Lost fans! I’m super excited to bring you this Question and Answer session that I did with Francesca Tronchin, Doctor of Archaeology and general expert on most things rad and badass. 

When I read about the upcoming “Across the Sea” episode specifically that it was going to be an hour-long flashback that focused on the MIB and Jacob I started to think about where on the earth it might take place how this country or city may have informed their world view.  I thought about use of all the religious iconography on the show and that led me to wonder if Dr. Tronchin would have the time to answer some questions.  Lucky for me she is a HUGE Lost fan and agreed to my line of (often clueless) questioning. 

So, enough of my rambling… Here it is: 

My Crazy Lost Theory: What do Jake’s (I don’t like him and call him Jake now.) clothing choices say about his heritage? His sandals and simple cloth shirts that I assume he makes.

Dr. Tronchin:  I haven’t seen anything in his wardrobe that suggests a specific culture or region. Perhaps just a generic “homespun” look, a hearkening back to “simpler times”? 

 MCLT: I seem to recall a FB status last year where you were talking about Jake’s sandals being Greek or Roman?  Am I hallucinating (again)?

Dr. Tronchin:  That might have been about the statue’s sandals? Can’t remember exactly.

MCLT:   Speaking of… ‘Jake the weaver.’ Aside from being perhaps a metaphor, what does it say about a person who knows how to weave intricate textiles such as these? Does this give us any clues to who he is and where he’s from?

When, where and why did Jacob pick up weaving as a hobby?


Dr. Tronchin:  In Greek mythology there are a couple of famous weavers: Arachne and Penelope. Arachne was turned into a spider for getting “too big for her britches” and challenging Athena to a weaving contest (classic tale of hubris and divine retribution). Penelope is the model housewife, so to speak. She spent 20 years weaving, waiting for her husband Odysseus to come home. But she was tricky: she said she would pick a new husband from the many suitors courting her as soon as she finished weaving the burial shroud she was working on. But at night she would unravel all she had woven during the day.

MCLT: an interesting parallel could be drawn here between Jacob and Penelope. He has said that he is going to pick a replacement for himself out of a pool of “Candidates” that he plucks from around the world. He has been doing this for how long? Perhaps it is Jake who is weaving and unraveling… stalling, but for what?  Who knows? 

Dr. Tronchin:  In the Greco-Roman world, weaving was pretty much the purview of only women. So this is odd that Jacob would be so great at it. I can’t think of any cultures where weaving was the man’s job. (Fishing nets, made by crochet, are an exception.)  That is interesting about Jacob weaving & un-weaving to postpone his decision about the candidates.

MCLT: But of course he does finish the tapestry as we saw in the tunnels under the temple.  But Metaphorically it works and makes me wonder if there is someone special that Jake is waiting for. I’m wondering now, if Jake perhaps has a Penny or a Sun or a Claire? 

Dr. Tronchin:  Seems like most of the dudes on the show have some kind of female constant!

What is very cool about the thing J is weaving in the picture below is that it is a hybrid of Greek and Egyptian elements. The text is Greek, of course, with the Egyptian eye of Horus, etc. below. That mixture of Greek & Egyptian smacks of Alexandria, the great city in the Nile delta. Has anyone translated the Greek? theoi, or ‘gods’ is the only word that jumps out at me. But my Greek is way rusty right now. But even so, they used a xi for an epsilon…weird.

MCLT:  The did actually translate the texts on Lostpedia…  and here we have another Odysseus reference.  From the finished tapestry there are three sentences and they read as translated: “may the gods grant thee all that thy heart desires” & “may the gods grant thee happiness” are from The Odyssey and the last, according to Lostpedia: A third passage is at the bottom of the tapestry. The part that can be seen reads, …Σ ΜΟΝΟΙ ΤΟ ΤΟΥ ΠΟΛΕΜΟΥ ΤΕΛΟΣ ΕΟΡΑΚΑΣΙ (sic). In lower case, it should read …ς μόνοι τὸ τοῦ πολέμου τέλος ἑωράκασι (transcribed as “…s monoi to tou polemou telos eōrakasi”) which seems to be the following quote misattributed to Plato: “Only the dead have seen the end of war.” If so, the word missing could be ΘΑΝΟΝΤΕΣ or ΤΕΘΝΗΚΟΤΕΣ, in lower case, θανόντες (transcribed as thanontes) or τεθνηκότες (transcribed as tethnekotes), meaning “those who have died”. 

MCLT:  Why would a blonde haired, blue-eyed dude be so obsessed with the Egyptian culture? Is there any archaeological proof of Blondes in Egypt? When did Blondes start showing up in  Egypt.  

Dr. Tronchin:  I don’t know about blondes in Egypt. The only thing I can think of are the Celtic invasions into the western part of North Africa or the Gallic invasions in Asia Minor.

MCLT:  Some Lost fans have sighted that there may be a connections between the dog worshiping cult of the Canary Islands (home of confused Catholic Richard) and the Anubis of Egypt.  Are there any reliable academic sources that could confirm this connection?

Dr. Tronchin:  I know nothing of religious practices in the Canary Islands! But I would find it very difficult for there to be any actual connection, unless explained by science fiction!

MCLT:  If you could, please take a look at this blog I wrote about the island statues:

In your opinion, do you notices any differences that could point to there being more than one statue on the island? 

 Dr. Tronchin:  I think you found some very subtle differences! But I don’t know if I could say they indicate two different statues.

MCLT: Also, the feet:

Is this foot: 

The Foot Sayid discovered from Desmond's boat.


The same as this foot:

The foot under which Jake Lives.


The same as this foot?

Perhaps in the Altiverse, Jake is a merman and lives under this foot?


Dr. Tronchin:  OK, this is very weird. You’ve got there a left foot, a right foot, and another left foot!

The weirdest thing about the statue for me is how it splintered like balsa wood when the Black Rock hit it! Not that I think that has any special significance…

MCLT:  And what do you make of Jacob’s Amazing Technicolor Lighthouse from an archaeological standpoint?

Show Runner's Homage to Alexandria or Jeremy Bentham?


Dr. Tronchin:  It looks a helluva lot like the Pharos of Alexandria, one of the Seven Wonders of the [Ancient] World. Or at least what most people think it looked like–the actual lighthouse/pharos no longer exists. So there is another Alexandria connection. The city in the Hellenistic period came to be a great center of learning, thanks to the library there, etc. It continued to have this association with science and study into the Late Antique period.

Note from MCLT:  Dr. Tronchin had this to say following our interview:

I  forgot to mention the ‘panopticon’ to you. (Just Google it.) The correlation with Jacob’s (?) lighthouse will be obvious. Plus, the original panopticon was designed by…Jeremy Bentham!

Dr. Tronchin’s comment, after I perused the wiki page on Panopticon that is,  got me thinking about lots of things. So many things that I was forced to write an entire blog about it…  I will put it up sometime in the next 30 hours or so.  It will be called: “The Longest Con: Why Hurley is NOT psychic” or something of the like.  Look for it.  Now… back to the interview! 

MCLT:  Going back to the Egyptian stuff… how ‘bout that Smoke Monster?  We were given a hieroglyph, if you can even call it that, of the monster below one of the grates that it travels though 

Egyptian Smoke Monster? What?


but to me, the seated position of Anubis as well as the positioning of the monster reminded me of this:

or Mayan Vision Monster?


A tablet inscripted with the Mayan Vision Serpent. I’ve always thought that Jacob and The Smoke Monster/Man in Black were partly based on the Aztec Gods Quetzacoatl and Tezcatlipoca (smoking mirror).  But descriptions of the Mayan Vision serpent make it sound like it has the same ability for people to communicate with their ancestors though it which is kind of what the smoke monster does when it appears as people who have died on the island.  Thoughts?

Dr. Tronchin:  The connection with the Mayan image might be another bit of hybridity introduced by the writers. Maybe we are to think that both Mayans and Egyptians inhabited the Island, thanks to Jacob’s interventions? 🙂 Hey, they both built pyramids!

The pose of Anubis is weird in that image. Usually he is depicted as standing (with the jackal head on a man’s body) or lying down like a dog.

The Snake Monster image has no precedent in Egyptian iconography, as far as I know.

MCLT: There are many ways of dealing with dead bodies on the island. The Survivors of Oceanic Fligh 815 bury their dead, while the Others tend to burn their dead.  What ancient civilizations burned their dead and who continued to do so after Christianity took hold in parts of the world? Also, are there any cultures besides the Vikings that burned their dead and set them adrift like The Others did for Colleen’s funeral? 

Dr. Tronchin:  The Greeks (and the peoples of the Bronze Age Aegean before them) did some cremating from time to time; they were kind of inconsistent about it, but generally used cremation. The Romans simultaneously engaged in inhumation and cremation burials after the advent of Christianity. Cremation had been the standard, but inhumation was popular even among Pagans. It seems to have depended on individuals or families.

I can’t think of any other Viking-like funeral ships. Although there are a series of ships buried around the great pyramids of Giza, Egyptians weren’t pushed out onto flaming barges or anything.

MCLT: Speaking of the dead.  It seems that the Others are very concerned with making sure they get all their dead.  We’ve seen them did up bodies and drag them away (perhaps to perform more funerals like Colleen’s) and then we saw (inside Jake’s Chamber) Ilana take Jake’s ashes from the fire pit.  Thoughts?

Dr. Tronchin:  This is a HUGE thing in classical cultures, especially Greek. It’s all over Homer’s epics. There are entire (modern) books written on the subject of reclaiming the dead, bringing bodies off battlefields, spirits wandering around unhappy because their bodies aren’t where they are supposed to be, etc. Bodies/cremated remains have to be put in a cemetery or some other space where the family members can come and mourn them, remember them, make visits on special anniversaries. Even though Greek and Roman concepts of what the afterlife really looked like are rather murky, one thing is clear: you just don’t leave bodies unburied.

MSCL: Do you remember Last of the Mohicans?  “They stay as they lay!” (That just popped into my head and has nothing much to do with the conversation here… that movie has just been inappropriately invading my rational thoughts this week) 

Moving on!  We have also seen the Others use black ash as protection from the smoke monster on a few occasions.  Are there any cultures who use the ash or even the ashes of the dead as protection? 

Dr. Tronchin:  Ash Wednesday, the Catholic thing? I know nothing about it, really. Just the only thing that came to mind.

MCLT: Palm sunday encompasses placing ashes on the foreheads of followers as a sign of repentance. The ashes used are gathered after the Palm Crosses from the previous year’s Palm Sunday are burned. As far as Ashes as protection, apparently the ashes of a Vampire act as sort of a morning after pill if you’ve been bitten by a Vampire.  (You drink the ashes to prevent turning into a Vampire.)  I bring this up only because this season they introduced the idea that the island is sitting on a Hellmouth and for anyone familiar with Buffy… well… There you go. 

MCLT: And lastly, a big religious question: I jokingly mentioned “Jacob’s Amazing Technicolor  Lighthouse and I was wondering what similarities can be drawn between the stories Joseph and his father Jacob from the Hebrew Bible to Lost’s Jacob and the Man in Black?  Could Joseph’s time in Egypt be an explanation for all of the Egyptian hieroglyphs and the statue(s) on the island?

Dr. Tronchin:  I’ve got no idea! Old Testament stuff really isn’t my gig. Now ask me something about the Aeneid, and I might have something intelligent to say 🙂

I had come to assume over the course of the past few episodes that the Egyptians (or “Egyptians”) who were on the Island got there because of Jacob, that he somehow pulled them out of the Mediterranean and into the South Pacific. Maybe because 4000 years ago they were the most advanced culture on earth and he wanted to see how they would fare?

MCLT:  And this concludes our Q&A with Dr. Tronchin.  It will be interesting to see what happens this week on Lost and find out where MIB and Jacob really came from and if it is indeed Alexandria.  Fingers crossed.  And thanks again to Dr. Tronchin for lending her valuable time to aid in My Crazy Lost Theories.

Jacob/Smoke Monster connection

1 04 2010

It has been talked about on the web that Jacob and the MIB could be the same person. This was even talked about after we’d seen the two together on the beach. I’m not sure if I buy that theory. If you’ve ever read this blog before, you know I’m more partial to my own theory that Jacob conned the MIB to take his place as the Smoke Monster. In this Freaky Friday Theory of mine I assert that Jacob and MIB must have actually switch bodies at one point.  I’m not so sure I go THAT far with all the detail I put into that theory analysis, but I do still believe that MIB used to be an ordinary dude until Jake tricked him into taking his place as the island watchdog, Smokey.  

As part of the Same Person theory that I’ve read about,  which from now on I will be referring to as: “The Man in Jacob Theory,” it was pointed out that there is a similarity between Jake and MIB. The sounds they make.

Please watch the first 22 seconds of this video:

Now watch this video (and please ignore the comment about the fart at the end!):

Doesn’t the tikitytackity sound of Jake’s weaving sound an awful lot like the tickitytackity of the Smoke Monster? But why? Why do they sound the same? I suppose at this point, with this footage, one could conclude that they are the same. One might also conclude that the Smoke Costume the MIB was forced to wear came with the sound effects. It might also be concluded that both Jake AND MIB can turn into black smoke… but I’m not so sure of that one…

But what does this MEAN?!

Also…  if the original premise brought up in this post is proven to be fact that could only mean one thing:  


Yes, I know… more Buffy.  

Jacob vs MIB Inspiration revealed.

27 03 2010

Remember this scene?  Please, even if you remember, watch it. 

Then if you could, please watch the following video.  Note, in particular,  the cordial nature of the relationship between these two adversaries. Do you find it familiar? 

Jacob and the MIB totally remind me of Sam and Ralph… ever since they first sat down on the beach together.  The crappy thing about that is that now, each time I see them together on Lost the Looney Tunes theme music pops into my head. (sorry if I just made it so it happens to you in upcoming episodes)  

Really though, you gotta admit that the people brought to the island are treated like sheep to be fought over.